I think it's important to note that a lot of the statistics for browser usage appear to come from w3schools.com. They derive those statistics from their own user base, so while it's an accurate representation of their own viewers, it really only serves as a benchmark for the rest of us!
I'm not sure there are any very broad surveys out there that would give a very accurate number in this regard, though I would love to see one! Whatever the case, it's worth nothing that a site built primarily for developers will most likely yield higher percentages of viewers using browsers like Fx, Chrome, Opera, etc.
@TheLeggett I noticed that article with IE with 40% but I decided to go with the W3schools statistics as they are probably more reliable as anyone can edit Wikipedia!
Neither the wikimedia stats, or the w3schools stats would provide a very reliable representation of all internet users. It would be expected that the wikimedia stats to be more consistent with the general population though considering that w3schools targets developers and designers (who are often more educated about browser choice).
"Not as popular as the competition" is not a weakness. Weakness by definition has to be a flaw or weak point. Popularity is neither of those. There are so many mistakes on your site that it's sad. Do your research and try again
@seeingsound I got most of this info off Wikipedia, the reason I posted it here is for people like you to point out these mistakes. Thanks for you advice above but maybe you'd be kind enough to help ?
It'd be cool if everyone could ease off the accelerator here. It's easy to sit back and point fingers, but this site is about constructive criticism not attacks.
Did you just copy-past some text without reading it and checking it? Here is what you should to: Check all the info that you have added there (Wikipedia isn't always right or up to date). Install all those browsers and use them to find out what are the strengths and weaknesses.
@michaeloneill - Not bad for something you put together yesterday when you were bored.
RE: "Whats wrong with Inline styling ? :S"... It's really important not to use inline styles in your markup. It defeats the purpose of CSS, and should be avoided at all costs. By using inline styles you are hardcoding styles in your HTML and overriding styles that should be placed in external stylesheets. If you wanted to change the appearance of your website you would have to edit the inline styles on every page on your site, instead of editing the styles for all pages from an external style sheet. You should use ids and classes and target them from a stylesheet.
http://csszengarden.com/ is probably the best example of how you can completely change the appearance of a website by changing just the styles in an external stylesheet, when you use clean markup and no inline styles. Check it out.
If there was a "Like" button on here I'd Like @thedoc's comment. Also, @michaeloneill, if you're interested in helping educate site visitors about IE6, take a look at this. It's Microsoft's site dedicated to educating people about upgrading from IE6. According to their stats, usage worldwide is at about 12%, although China is still over 1/3 IE6. Won't help with the cross-browser comparisons, but it's an interesting site nonetheless.
First, as others have said, well done. Second, I think you need to figure out what you want the page to be used for. You have both opinions and facts on their, in my experience, you can not have both without stating so somehow on the site. So... I think you need to figure that out and go from their. Like another commenter said, if you want to put your opinion in the site, you need to test each browser, then report, report, report. If you choose to do facts only, just watch where you get your facts and make sure you source where you got your information. Or another option (Which I do not recommend) is to not update it, forget about it and move on to something else. But if you choose not to do that, because, who knows, maybe we will see this on the "Hot Links" list in the near future. (Even though Chris just posted something similar to this using HTML Forms documentation)
Great job so far man, looks good! I would also agree that it should probably be one of the other. Either your personal feelings on each browser, or straight facts. Yeah, it's terrible how some people can't seem to give constructive criticism without being arrogant.
Cool looking site, you're one and only weakness for chrome made me chuckle though. I used the think the sun shined out of chromes arse too, until I realized that it couldn't handle certain javascript animations smoothly over a full-screen background image. It was really choppy in chrome, firefox was the 2nd choppiest, and then IE and opera were both beautifully smooth. And ever tried playing full screen video over a fullscreen background image in chrome? Super choppy, the framerate drops way down. It's a good light browser and I still use it a lot, but it has it limitations and still seems to have a lot of bugs.
People, don't say well done, when it's really not. There is nothing worse then non constructive criticism. Yes, he will get ego boost from that, but will his skills improve? No. But if I say that hey, the site sucks, he will go "**** that guy, i'm gonna make this site the best site ever". And that will improve his skills. So be careful with your false positive criticism
Thanks for your advice everyone, I will make the relevant changes. The strengths and weaknesses are both from my own experience using the browsers and information off the web.
@mixxmac - Thanks for the advice on inline styling @ccc639 - Thanks for that link, I will add an accordion on the site about IE6 with content from that site :) @Johnnyb - I wasn't aware of those problems in Chrome but thanks for the info. @seeingsound - Saying peoples work "sucks" pushes them down and doesn't give encouragement to improve unless you constructively criticize. None the less thanks for the advice. I also have used all of the browsers and the strengths and weaknesses are both my personal feelings and info from the web.
@seeingsound -- While I agree with the idea that constructive criticism is necessary, just saying something sucks is anything but constructive, and it's certainly not the point of this forum. Just saying 'it sucks' doesn't offer specific feedback, it doesn't address areas that need improvement; all it does is make the person saying it sound petty or uninformed.
Correct, saying peoples work sucks is what is called a "negative process" there is a website about things like this. It states that anyone who has achieved success in life has been positively processed, and people who are achieving failure have been "negatively processed".
I was really bored yesterday so I made this site. Ywww.browserfacts.net...
Im going to have an IE conditional comment on my sites with a link to this with a note to read "The problems with IE".
I hope it can be useful to some of you too.
Please inform me if I have any incorrect statements in the site... I got the information off Wikipedia!
Thanks,
Micky
There's a fair amount of misinformation there...
lol Point it out and Il make changes :)
Thats exactly why I posted it here to make sure Im correct :)
Another benchmark would be Wikimedia, which sees over 40% of it's users using IE as of January 2011: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Browser_usage_on_wikimedia_pie_chart.png
I'm not sure there are any very broad surveys out there that would give a very accurate number in this regard, though I would love to see one! Whatever the case, it's worth nothing that a site built primarily for developers will most likely yield higher percentages of viewers using browsers like Fx, Chrome, Opera, etc.
@TheLeggett I noticed that article with IE with 40% but I decided to go with the W3schools statistics as they are probably more reliable as anyone can edit Wikipedia!
Inline styling everywhere!
Also, lack of alt tags on images!!! :-)
Neither the wikimedia stats, or the w3schools stats would provide a very reliable representation of all internet users. It would be expected that the wikimedia stats to be more consistent with the general population though considering that w3schools targets developers and designers (who are often more educated about browser choice).
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard any web developer say EVER
Alt tags are for accessibility, not just because it'll be valid/invalid markup
There are so many mistakes on your site that it's sad. Do your research and try again
Did you just copy-past some text without reading it and checking it? Here is what you should to: Check all the info that you have added there (Wikipedia isn't always right or up to date). Install all those browsers and use them to find out what are the strengths and weaknesses.
You should find the mistakes, not we :)
RE: "Whats wrong with Inline styling ? :S"...
It's really important not to use inline styles in your markup. It defeats the purpose of CSS, and should be avoided at all costs. By using inline styles you are hardcoding styles in your HTML and overriding styles that should be placed in external stylesheets. If you wanted to change the appearance of your website you would have to edit the inline styles on every page on your site, instead of editing the styles for all pages from an external style sheet. You should use ids and classes and target them from a stylesheet.
http://csszengarden.com/ is probably the best example of how you can completely change the appearance of a website by changing just the styles in an external stylesheet, when you use clean markup and no inline styles. Check it out.
First, as others have said, well done.
Second, I think you need to figure out what you want the page to be used for. You have both opinions and facts on their, in my experience, you can not have both without stating so somehow on the site. So... I think you need to figure that out and go from their. Like another commenter said, if you want to put your opinion in the site, you need to test each browser, then report, report, report. If you choose to do facts only, just watch where you get your facts and make sure you source where you got your information. Or another option (Which I do not recommend) is to not update it, forget about it and move on to something else. But if you choose not to do that, because, who knows, maybe we will see this on the "Hot Links" list in the near future. (Even though Chris just posted something similar to this using HTML Forms documentation)
Well, hope my tangent helps something...
So be careful with your false positive criticism
@mixxmac - Thanks for the advice on inline styling
@ccc639 - Thanks for that link, I will add an accordion on the site about IE6 with content from that site :)
@Johnnyb - I wasn't aware of those problems in Chrome but thanks for the info.
@seeingsound - Saying peoples work "sucks" pushes them down and doesn't give encouragement to improve unless you constructively criticize. None the less thanks for the advice. I also have used all of the browsers and the strengths and weaknesses are both my personal feelings and info from the web.
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